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would like to welcome you to our very

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third episode of a unique monthly series

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third episode of a unique monthly series

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we are calling cmed chat

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my name is solomone mahaja i am project

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my name is solomone mahaja i am project

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and we're all very excited to have you

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and we're all very excited to have you

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this new project will engage charismatic

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this new project will engage charismatic

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we plan to bring you anyone from

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diplomats activists journalists and

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to artists musicians filmmakers and many

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who can help us dig deeper into an often

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who can help us dig deeper into an often

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complex part of the world our hosts and

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guests will sit down for one-on-one

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casual chats for at least 30 minutes

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casual chats for at least 30 minutes

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they will cover a variety of topics and

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they will cover a variety of topics and

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highlight the mainly diverse voices

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highlight the mainly diverse voices

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and realities that enrich the colorful

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and realities that enrich the colorful

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meena all c-med chat's episodes will be

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meena all c-med chat's episodes will be

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live and can be viewed on cmed's website

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live and can be viewed on cmed's website

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or youtube page within 24 hours

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or youtube page within 24 hours

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of this broadcast we will not be

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of this broadcast we will not be

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however if you have any logistics

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and we'll do our best to answer your

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and without further ado i will pass the

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microphone to steve zipperstein

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steve practiced law for more than 37

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of palestine his next book zionism

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palestinian nationalism and the law

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and 1948 will be published later this

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and 1948 will be published later this

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steve take it away thank you so much

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steve take it away thank you so much

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welcome everyone we're just absolutely

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welcome everyone we're just absolutely

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honored to have mickey bergman with us

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honored to have mickey bergman with us

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many of you know mickey from other cmed

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many of you know mickey from other cmed

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related activities but much like

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clark kent and his alter ego superman

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clark kent and his alter ego superman

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mickey also

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has a separate life an amazing life the

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has a separate life an amazing life the

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of a true superhero mickey is a pioneer

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of a true superhero mickey is a pioneer

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in the field that we call fringe

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in the field that we call fringe

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diplomacy a term that mickey

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diplomacy a term that mickey

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himself coined he's focused on working

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himself coined he's focused on working

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in very very dangerous places around the

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in very very dangerous places around the

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world to free

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americans held in captivity in places

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americans held in captivity in places

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like north korea

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like north korea

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and elsewhere we're going to hear a lot

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and elsewhere we're going to hear a lot

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more about that as we move forward

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more about that as we move forward

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mickey was nominated for the nobel peace

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mickey was nominated for the nobel peace

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prize for his work

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prize for his work

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in 2019 and you saw him pictured on the

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in 2019 and you saw him pictured on the

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not just with the president of the

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not just with the president of the

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united states and the secretary of state

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united states and the secretary of state

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but with the foreign minister of iran

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but with the foreign minister of iran

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with the king of jordan with the former

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with the king of jordan with the former

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leader of myanmar

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and we're going to hear a lot more about

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and we're going to hear a lot more about

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that uh this morning

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that uh this morning

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mickey has become a very very

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mickey has become a very very

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ubiquitous figure in the media around

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ubiquitous figure in the media around

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and in the united states media outlets

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and in the united states media outlets

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relying on mickey's expertise

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relying on mickey's expertise

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in places like north korea where he

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in places like north korea where he

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negotiated for the release of the

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negotiated for the release of the

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otto warren beer who was held captive

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otto warren beer who was held captive

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there and unfortunately passed away

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there and unfortunately passed away

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mickey arranged for uh the body of the

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mickey arranged for uh the body of the

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late otto warmbier

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late otto warmbier

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to be brought back to the united states

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to be brought back to the united states

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and um

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before i turn it over to mickey to tell

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before i turn it over to mickey to tell

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us about his experiences in the field of

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us about his experiences in the field of

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i wanted to give you just a little taste

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i wanted to give you just a little taste

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of how the media relies on mickey's

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of how the media relies on mickey's

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here he's asked about north korea at the

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here he's asked about north korea at the

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time when former president trump was

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time when former president trump was

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hoping for a diplomatic breakthrough

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hoping for a diplomatic breakthrough

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obviously that didn't happen

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obviously that didn't happen

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but let's take a look at just this short

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but let's take a look at just this short

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video clip from cbs news to give you an

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video clip from cbs news to give you an

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idea of mickey's expertise go ahead

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idea of mickey's expertise go ahead

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nikki bergman was involved with the

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nikki bergman was involved with the

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negotiations that led to the release of

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negotiations that led to the release of

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american student otto warmbier

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american student otto warmbier

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warmbier later died of injuries

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warmbier later died of injuries

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sustained while he was held in north

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sustained while he was held in north

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vicki bergman is vice president at the

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vicki bergman is vice president at the

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governor richardson center for global

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governor richardson center for global

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engagement he joins us now

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engagement he joins us now

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welcome to you mickey thank you so what

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welcome to you mickey thank you so what

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does the united states you think need to

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does the united states you think need to

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keep in mind when entering into

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keep in mind when entering into

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negotiations with north korea

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well i think there are several things

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well i think there are several things

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that that need to be

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that that need to be

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taken into account number one and i

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taken into account number one and i

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actually think the president is right

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actually think the president is right

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it's about creating a personal

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it's about creating a personal

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relationship the north koreans the

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relationship the north koreans the

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the the negotiations with them are are

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the the negotiations with them are are

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divided into two parts

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divided into two parts

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the first one is the formal part it

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the first one is the formal part it

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happens across the table

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it's harsh it's it's it's very formal uh

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it's harsh it's it's it's very formal uh

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the second part is is not happening in

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the second part is is not happening in

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those official meetings it happens when

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those official meetings it happens when

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you take a walk

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it happens when you share a meal it

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it happens when you share a meal it

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happens when you when you go when i when

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happens when you when you go when i when

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i negotiated in north korea

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i negotiated in north korea

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a year and a half ago they took me to a

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a year and a half ago they took me to a

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dolphinarium show and that's where we

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dolphinarium show and that's where we

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were talking

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uh you established those personal

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uh you established those personal

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relations that's that's

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relations that's that's

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that's a part where the president is

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that's a part where the president is

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absolutely correct i think in

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absolutely correct i think in

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in assessing and getting this gut

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in assessing and getting this gut

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feeling of a personal relations

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feeling of a personal relations

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relationship i think that there was also

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relationship i think that there was also

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not enough time for this summit in

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not enough time for this summit in

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to make it to to get a headway um

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to make it to to get a headway um

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before so a lot of what we can expect

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before so a lot of what we can expect

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and hope for

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from this is that initial contact and

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from this is that initial contact and

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relationship between the two leaders

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okay um so that gives you just a sense

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okay um so that gives you just a sense

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mickey's been on television all over the

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mickey's been on television all over the

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world as i said

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on the radio there was a very very long

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on the radio there was a very very long

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article published in

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gq magazine about mickey's efforts in

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gq magazine about mickey's efforts in

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north korea mickey

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north korea mickey

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can you tell us a little bit first of

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can you tell us a little bit first of

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all welcome and thank you so much for

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all welcome and thank you so much for

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taking time to be with us

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taking time to be with us

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can you tell us a little bit about how

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can you tell us a little bit about how

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you got into this field of fringe

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you got into this field of fringe

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um also give us a little bit about your

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um also give us a little bit about your

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about your background

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about your background

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and then let's talk about some of your

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and then let's talk about some of your

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uh well thank you stephen thank you

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uh well thank you stephen thank you

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cement for for having the

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cement for for having the

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uh having me on this um i have to first

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uh having me on this um i have to first

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a disclaimer i know it looks like i'm

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a disclaimer i know it looks like i'm

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wearing exactly the same shirt as i did

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wearing exactly the same shirt as i did

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in the interview it probably is right

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in the interview it probably is right

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but i do have a few of them so it's not

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but i do have a few of them so it's not

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it's not the same shirt exactly um

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it's not the same shirt exactly um

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let me actually if i if i may i want to

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let me actually if i if i may i want to

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to start with a little story uh that is

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to start with a little story uh that is

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relate obviously related

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relate obviously related

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related to the piece you just aired here

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related to the piece you just aired here

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from the interview and it takes me back

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from the interview and it takes me back

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about five years ago

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about five years ago

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it was september of 2016. so this was um

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it was september of 2016. so this was um

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about two months before the elections in

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about two months before the elections in

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um and i found myself uh in pyongyang

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um and i found myself uh in pyongyang

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at the uh at the war museum there

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at the uh at the war museum there

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and the war museum in pyongyang they

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and the war museum in pyongyang they

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refer to it as as the war museum

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refer to it as as the war museum

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as the american war we refer to it as

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as the american war we refer to it as

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the korean war obviously

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the korean war obviously

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um and i was walking there uh

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um and i was walking there uh

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in a guided tour and

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in a guided tour and

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the museum is is very harsh i mean it's

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the museum is is very harsh i mean it's

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there's like wax

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there's like wax

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um images of decaying american soldiers

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um images of decaying american soldiers

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and pieces of ammunition of planes

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and pieces of ammunition of planes

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and enough tanks very very graphic

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and enough tanks very very graphic

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in it and you're just walking through

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in it and you're just walking through

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this very very somber

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this very very somber

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um and you might wonder why was i

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um and you might wonder why was i

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in in the museum there and as was

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in in the museum there and as was

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mentioned as steve mentioned

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mentioned as steve mentioned

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um in the introduction uh in 2016 i was

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um in the introduction uh in 2016 i was

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there in september

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there in september

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the informal reason for my visit um

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the informal reason for my visit um

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and my mission there was to try and

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and my mission there was to try and

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negotiate with the north koreans

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negotiate with the north koreans

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uh the return of otto warmbier who was a

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uh the return of otto warmbier who was a

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an american student that was imprisoned

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an american student that was imprisoned

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there and at that point it was

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there and at that point it was

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he was in there for about um eight

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he was in there for about um eight

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uh um but when you go to north korea

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uh um but when you go to north korea

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you can't you can't just go publicly and

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you can't you can't just go publicly and

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say yeah i'm here to negotiate a

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say yeah i'm here to negotiate a

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political prisoner

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first because from their perspective

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first because from their perspective

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there's no such thing as a political

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there's no such thing as a political

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um but also because optics it doesn't it

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um but also because optics it doesn't it

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doesn't look good for them so you have

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doesn't look good for them so you have

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to have another

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reason another more public reason for

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reason another more public reason for

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why you're there

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why you're there

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and from our perspective we had two of

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and from our perspective we had two of

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one was trying to negotiate and reignite

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one was trying to negotiate and reignite

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program that existed before between the

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program that existed before between the

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and the north korean militaries and that

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and the north korean militaries and that

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recovery and return of american

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recovery and return of american

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from the korean war who are still there

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from the korean war who are still there

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and it's not very known but

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and it's not very known but

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there's still about uh 5300

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there's still about uh 5300

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american soldiers that are still there

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american soldiers that are still there

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since the war

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since the war

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these are the remains some of them are

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these are the remains some of them are

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buried some of them are in crash sites

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buried some of them are in crash sites

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and it's a very significant program and

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and it's a very significant program and

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it's a program that is not only

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it's a program that is not only

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important for the americans

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it is also important for the north

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it is also important for the north

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so that was really the official reason

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so that was really the official reason

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why we were there

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um the the third reason was the

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um the the third reason was the

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that north korea was hit by terrible

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that north korea was hit by terrible

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floods just a few months before

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floods just a few months before

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and we were there trying to evaluate and

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and we were there trying to evaluate and

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and provide some humanitarian relief

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and provide some humanitarian relief

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and so publicly it was about remains it

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and so publicly it was about remains it

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a humanitarian relief but we knew that

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a humanitarian relief but we knew that

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behind the doors were there to talk

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behind the doors were there to talk

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about otto warmbier

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about otto warmbier

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and i had two individuals with me one

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and i had two individuals with me one

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was rick downes

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was rick downes

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who's the president of coalition of

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who's the president of coalition of

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american pows and mias from the korean

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american pows and mias from the korean

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war

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rick actually lost his dad rick was

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rick actually lost his dad rick was

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three

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and when he lost him he went down with

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and when he lost him he went down with

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his plane never to be recovered even

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his plane never to be recovered even

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though we know where he crashed

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though we know where he crashed

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uh that was rick's first visit to north

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uh that was rick's first visit to north

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korea i took him with me

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korea i took him with me

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because i needed somebody to humanize

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because i needed somebody to humanize

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the issue with the north koreans and

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the issue with the north koreans and

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that he did very very well and the

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that he did very very well and the

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second individual that i took with me

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second individual that i took with me

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was a forensic anthropologist from chico

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was a forensic anthropologist from chico

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california named p wiley and i had to

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california named p wiley and i had to

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bring p

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bring p

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with me because he was a civilian

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with me because he was a civilian

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with the department of defense who knew

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with the department of defense who knew

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all the procedures of how to deal with

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all the procedures of how to deal with

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remains

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um and since i couldn't bring anybody

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um and since i couldn't bring anybody

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official the delegation was not

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official the delegation was not

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a formal delegation it was informal i

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a formal delegation it was informal i

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had to to bring those expertise with me

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had to to bring those expertise with me

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so back to the museum and at the time by

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so back to the museum and at the time by

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the way it was the new museum it just

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the way it was the new museum it just

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opened

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opened

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and six months before it was buzzing

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and six months before it was buzzing

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um there was hundreds of students of

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um there was hundreds of students of

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north korean students just

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north korean students just

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walking through uh um guided tours there

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walking through uh um guided tours there

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um and uh uh i even stepped on the uss

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um and uh uh i even stepped on the uss

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pueblo which is a ship a navy ship that

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pueblo which is a ship a navy ship that

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was captured by the north koreans back

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was captured by the north koreans back

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in the

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in the

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and you might wonder if i if i was there

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and you might wonder if i if i was there

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to negotiate the release of otto

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to negotiate the release of otto

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warmbier or remains or humanitarian

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warmbier or remains or humanitarian

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why on earth was i in in the

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why on earth was i in in the

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uh in the museum and the reason is

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uh in the museum and the reason is

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because the negotiations in north korea

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because the negotiations in north korea

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are very different than anything that

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are very different than anything that

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we're

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we're

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that we're used to and stephen if you

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that we're used to and stephen if you

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and i

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and i

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go to negotiate on something the first

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go to negotiate on something the first

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thing we do is that we meet

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thing we do is that we meet

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and we sit around the table we share our

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and we sit around the table we share our

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opening statements

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opening statements

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um and and argue a little bit and then

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um and and argue a little bit and then

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we break

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we break

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we break reassess and we come back to

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we break reassess and we come back to

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run two

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run two

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that's not the case in north korea uh in

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that's not the case in north korea uh in

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north korea things are are are

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north korea things are are are

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quite different and the reason they're

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quite different and the reason they're

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different

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different

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is because my negotiating partner in

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is because my negotiating partner in

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north korea in this case was the vice

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north korea in this case was the vice

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minister

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of foreign affairs a man named han um

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of foreign affairs a man named han um

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he has no authority to negotiate

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he has no authority to negotiate

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with me he's a conduit meaning

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with me he's a conduit meaning

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he can only convey the messages

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he can only convey the messages

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that the leader sends to me through him

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that the leader sends to me through him

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in other words if i meet with him before

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in other words if i meet with him before

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he knows exactly what i'm there to

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he knows exactly what i'm there to

negotiate

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negotiate

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negotiate

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he won't be able to answer or respond to

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he won't be able to answer or respond to

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me respond to me

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me respond to me

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so when i go there the first three days

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so when i go there the first three days

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is filled with going to the museums look

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is filled with going to the museums look

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i mentioned in the interview going to

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i mentioned in the interview going to

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the dolphinarium having meals

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the dolphinarium having meals

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with two minders who work for the

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with two minders who work for the

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foreign minister

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foreign minister

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who their job in those days is to dig

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who their job in those days is to dig

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from your mind from me

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from your mind from me

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exactly what it is that i'm there to

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exactly what it is that i'm there to

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negotiate what i'm authorized to give

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negotiate what i'm authorized to give

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so they can write a memo to their boss

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so they can write a memo to their boss

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the vice minister

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the vice minister

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to tell him this is exactly what mickey

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to tell him this is exactly what mickey

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is going to present in the official

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is going to present in the official

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meeting

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meeting

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and then their boss needs to send out to

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and then their boss needs to send out to

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his boss the leader

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his boss the leader

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and his boss can then tell him here's

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and his boss can then tell him here's

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what you're going to respond to mickey

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what you're going to respond to mickey

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and only

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and only

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then we can actually have the meeting um

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then we can actually have the meeting um

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so that's why i was in that in that

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so that's why i was in that in that

museum

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museum

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museum

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and as i was walking through this museum

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and as i was walking through this museum

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we had this uh officer that was giving

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we had this uh officer that was giving

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us the tour

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us the tour

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um a very knowledgeable uh

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um a very knowledgeable uh

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individual and she she casually mentions

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individual and she she casually mentions

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to us

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to us

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as we walk through um the number of

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as we walk through um the number of

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uh koreans that died in the war uh

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uh koreans that died in the war uh

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and i know uh you know

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and i know uh you know

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people listening to this cannot actually

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people listening to this cannot actually

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jump in but i i

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jump in but i i

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think to yourself if you can imagine how

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think to yourself if you can imagine how

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many koreans actually or if you know how

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many koreans actually or if you know how

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many koreans died in that korean war

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many koreans died in that korean war

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um because when she gave the the number

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um because when she gave the the number

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it stunned me the the number was four

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it stunned me the the number was four

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and a half

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and a half

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million so four and a half million

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million so four and a half million

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koreans

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koreans

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died in that war at the time by the way

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died in that war at the time by the way

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i didn't have google over there to check

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i didn't have google over there to check

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it

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it

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but i verified after it's true it's four

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but i verified after it's true it's four

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and a half million koreans died

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and a half million koreans died

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it's it's north koreans and south

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it's it's north koreans and south

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koreans together but from their

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koreans together but from their

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perspective it's exactly the same people

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perspective it's exactly the same people

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they're koreans

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they're koreans

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four and a half million people and and

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four and a half million people and and

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when she gave me that number

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when she gave me that number

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a i felt a punch to my stomach

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a i felt a punch to my stomach

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because i've been working north korea

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because i've been working north korea

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issues at that point for about six years

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issues at that point for about six years

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and it never occurred to me that number

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and it never occurred to me that number

um

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um

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um

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and in my mind immediately at the point

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and in my mind immediately at the point

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when she was telling

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when she was telling

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i was running the timeline thinking wait

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i was running the timeline thinking wait

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a minute korean war happened about a

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a minute korean war happened about a

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decade after the holocaust

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decade after the holocaust

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the number i know it's not the same and

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the number i know it's not the same and

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i have to qualify it this is not

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i have to qualify it this is not

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systemically it was war

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systemically it was war

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but the sheer number four and a half

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but the sheer number four and a half

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million people

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million people

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um it is awfully big and awfully

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um it is awfully big and awfully

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familiar

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familiar

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and as an israeli born and a jew i know

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and as an israeli born and a jew i know

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what that means

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what that means

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to me three generations down from it i

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to me three generations down from it i

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know what it means for everything every

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know what it means for everything every

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fiber of my being and

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fiber of my being and

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growing up and knowing about that and

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growing up and knowing about that and

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knowing my family being

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knowing my family being

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impacted by it and everybody's families

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impacted by it and everybody's families

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being impacted by it

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being impacted by it

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so it dawned on me how

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so it dawned on me how

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significant that war is

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significant that war is

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to the north koreans and then i also add

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to the north koreans and then i also add

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to that

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to that

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as an israeli as a jew i had

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as an israeli as a jew i had

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reconciliation with germany

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reconciliation with germany

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i have holocaust memorial days

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i have holocaust memorial days

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international and national in israel

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international and national in israel

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there's holocaust memorial museums in

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there's holocaust memorial museums in

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every capital

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every capital

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and the north koreans

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and the north koreans

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never had i'm not talking about an

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never had i'm not talking about an

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apology or anything but just an

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apology or anything but just an

acknowledgement

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acknowledgement

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acknowledgement

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of this and and that struck me in a very

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of this and and that struck me in a very

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profound way

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profound way

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um in that museum and and so

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um in that museum and and so

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i zoomed forward now three days after

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i zoomed forward now three days after

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this visit

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this visit

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and i'm sitting there with the vice

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and i'm sitting there with the vice

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minister of foreign affairs

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minister of foreign affairs

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for that actual meeting of negotiations

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for that actual meeting of negotiations

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and he starts and he's giving me all the

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and he starts and he's giving me all the

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big rhetorics that

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big rhetorics that

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the united states is the source of all

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the united states is the source of all

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evil and we try we're trying to kill the

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evil and we try we're trying to kill the

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leader

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leader

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um and all of that and i'm i'm familiar

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um and all of that and i'm i'm familiar

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with it that that

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with it that that

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that i just need to let it roll and wait

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that i just need to let it roll and wait

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my turn

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my turn

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um and and when it was my turn i

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um and and when it was my turn i

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i told the vice minister i said look i'm

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i told the vice minister i said look i'm

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going to go into my talking points and

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going to go into my talking points and

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into

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into

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into what we're here to talk but but i

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into what we're here to talk but but i

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have to tell you that your guys took me

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have to tell you that your guys took me

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to the museum

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to the museum

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and i told him the story of when i

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and i told him the story of when i

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what it felt for me when i heard that

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what it felt for me when i heard that

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number and i told him look i'm i'm

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number and i told him look i'm i'm

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jewish

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jewish

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i i now understand in a way that i

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i i now understand in a way that i

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didn't before

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didn't before

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just the level of mistrust that exists

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just the level of mistrust that exists

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between you and me um

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between you and me um

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and i said you know most americans when

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and i said you know most americans when

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those who even think about the korean

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those who even think about the korean

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war

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war

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they think about it as this little war

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they think about it as this little war

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that happened between world war ii and

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that happened between world war ii and

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vietnam

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um but they never they never think about

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um but they never they never think about

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it in in those in those ways and and i

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it in in those in those ways and and i

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i i did that i shared that because i

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i i did that i shared that because i

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wanted to kind of break the formality of

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wanted to kind of break the formality of

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the meeting and i wanted to share with

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the meeting and i wanted to share with

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him to

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him to

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some empathy and so so

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some empathy and so so

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so he understands that i'm getting him

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so he understands that i'm getting him

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much more on this

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much more on this

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and and that's completely broke the

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and and that's completely broke the

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official meeting it changes the it

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official meeting it changes the it

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changed the whole dynamic

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changed the whole dynamic

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of the meeting and helped us actually

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of the meeting and helped us actually

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move forward and i'm telling you that

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move forward and i'm telling you that

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story

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not because it's you know it's this

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not because it's you know it's this

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heroic story or anything like that

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heroic story or anything like that

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it's because i want to emphasize two

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it's because i want to emphasize two

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things one is technical

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things one is technical

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and that is that before we even ever

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and that is that before we even ever

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talk about international relations and

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talk about international relations and

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and what we want to do in policy we have

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and what we want to do in policy we have

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to try and put ourselves and understand

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to try and put ourselves and understand

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the fundamentals

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the fundamentals

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in this case of north korea and of the

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in this case of north korea and of the

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north koreans because we you know

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north koreans because we you know

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every audience i ask you know i'll ask

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every audience i ask you know i'll ask

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you steve oh what should we do with

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you steve oh what should we do with

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north korea

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north korea

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we'll have a million ideas on policies

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we'll have a million ideas on policies

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um

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um

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but very few people especially in the

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but very few people especially in the

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united states can answer the question

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united states can answer the question

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why do the north koreans hate us so much

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why do the north koreans hate us so much

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it just

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it just

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it never occurs to us to think about it

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it never occurs to us to think about it

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and i i need to make a distinction here

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and i i need to make a distinction here

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there's a distinction between empathy

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there's a distinction between empathy

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and sympathy and

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and sympathy and

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empathy is when you understand how

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empathy is when you understand how

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somebody's thinking and how they're

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somebody's thinking and how they're

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feeling and where they're coming from

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feeling and where they're coming from

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sympathy is when there's alliance

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sympathy is when there's alliance

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between yours and there's objective

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between yours and there's objective

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and i'm not exercising sympathy here i

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and i'm not exercising sympathy here i

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have no

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have no

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no allegiance with the north koreans and

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no allegiance with the north koreans and

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their objectives um

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their objectives um

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but i am exercising empathy so so that's

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but i am exercising empathy so so that's

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the first reason the second reason

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the first reason the second reason

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is because i really want to to start us

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is because i really want to to start us

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off in this conversation is something

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off in this conversation is something

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that is so

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that is so

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important to me and that is the the

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important to me and that is the the

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power and importance of emotional

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power and importance of emotional

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intelligence

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intelligence

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in international relations any

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in international relations any

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negotiations and it's true about

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negotiations and it's true about

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international relations

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international relations

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it's true about business it's true about

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it's true about business it's true about

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your family and your friends

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your family and your friends

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as well and just to to clear that i i

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as well and just to to clear that i i

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i when i think of emotional intelligence

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i when i think of emotional intelligence

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i think about it as

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i think about it as

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as as your ability to recognize and

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as as your ability to recognize and

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understand

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understand

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um emotions in yourself and in somebody

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um emotions in yourself and in somebody

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else

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else

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and then your ability to use those that

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and then your ability to use those that

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to either manage your own behavior or

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to either manage your own behavior or

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manage your relationship so it's

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manage your relationship so it's

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four different planes self-awareness

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four different planes self-awareness

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awareness in others and and really in

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awareness in others and and really in

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management of of relationships

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management of of relationships

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and and i don't think we actually spend

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and and i don't think we actually spend

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enough time with that we have graduates

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enough time with that we have graduates

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including from ucla including from

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including from ucla including from

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georgetown university where i teach

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georgetown university where i teach

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and who are experts in national interest

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and who are experts in national interest

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they can analyze that they can figure

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they can analyze that they can figure

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out strategies from it

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out strategies from it

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um but that's just part of the game a

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um but that's just part of the game a

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big part of the game that is the

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big part of the game that is the

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personalities and the emotional

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personalities and the emotional

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side of things so we saw a photograph of

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side of things so we saw a photograph of

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you and uh former new mexico governor

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you and uh former new mexico governor

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your colleague bill richardson

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your colleague bill richardson

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former secretary of energy standing

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former secretary of energy standing

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alongside the foreign minister

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alongside the foreign minister

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of iran mr zarif can you talk about your

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of iran mr zarif can you talk about your

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experiences

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experiences

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with him and in that country and how

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with him and in that country and how

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this concept of emotional intelligence

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this concept of emotional intelligence

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has played into your dealings with the

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has played into your dealings with the

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iranian government

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iranian government

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yeah absolutely and and thank you for

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yeah absolutely and and thank you for

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for that and let me before i jump into

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for that and let me before i jump into

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into

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into

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into the rift just to give a context of

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into the rift just to give a context of

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how governor richardson

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how governor richardson

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comes with who i work for and i've been

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comes with who i work for and i've been

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working with i guess since 2005 so it's

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working with i guess since 2005 so it's

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been a

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been a

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it's been quite a while um

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it's been quite a while um

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a part of fringe diplomacy that you

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a part of fringe diplomacy that you

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mentioned uh is really the

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mentioned uh is really the

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the exploration of this space that goes

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the exploration of this space that goes

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beyond what official governments

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beyond what official governments

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relationships were the mandates and what

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relationships were the mandates and what

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their authority is in international

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their authority is in international

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relations and it really relies on the

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relations and it really relies on the

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on the assumption that we as individuals

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on the assumption that we as individuals

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as businesses as academics as

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as businesses as academics as

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artists share a similar goal of having a

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artists share a similar goal of having a

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peaceful prosperous and

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peaceful prosperous and

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and stable world but we sometimes

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and stable world but we sometimes

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ironically have more flexibility than

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ironically have more flexibility than

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governments do

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governments do

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and we can do things that are not

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and we can do things that are not

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contained by this choreography of

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contained by this choreography of

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diplomacy and processes

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diplomacy and processes

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and that to me is mainly that human

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and that to me is mainly that human

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layer and so there's two main activities

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layer and so there's two main activities

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of what we do within french diplomacy

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of what we do within french diplomacy

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the first one is engagement and the

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the first one is engagement and the

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second one is intervention

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second one is intervention

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and intervention is is mainly what i do

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and intervention is is mainly what i do

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with governor richardson at the

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with governor richardson at the

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richardson center

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it manifests itself a lot most of the

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it manifests itself a lot most of the

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times in the negotiation the release of

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times in the negotiation the release of

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political prisoners

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political prisoners

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